How is, potentially, a lot of players moving out of low sec to not risk getting their **** trapped good for low sec. FW inhabitants might not be all the people living in low sec atm but they do constitute a big part of the low sec population. Having that big part up and leave to base out of high sec is not something that I would consider good for low sec in general and FW in particular.

The thing Mutnin mentioned about station services and what not being revoked sounds like a much better idea imo.

Ok, so those bolded parts there means I don't have to be in FW to reap the benefits of occupancy?

So can someone tell me again the reason for staying in the Militia as opposed to leaving and setting our standings/war deccing manually and act as true privateers? Just put a bunch of plexing alts in a separate corp, join militia and stick them in cloaky t1 frigs to capture plexes and fight with impunity on our "neutral" mains. I'd rather take the chance of fighting the occational fight under gate guns as opposed to not being able to dock tbh. Plus, no gateguns in plexes...

Sov reset would really push the bounds of stupidity, 2 of the largest and arguably most active alliances in minmatar FW base in 'amarr systems', I wouldn't want to gamble on them rejoining FW after they are forced to drop because they cant get their stuff.

Be impressive to finally see FW get some attention and instead of brining in anyone new it just gets most of the active player base to quit.

There has been plenty time for planning leading up to the patch, I'd rather it came down to the depth of planning and giving people a chance to try and hold systems than just CCP saying 'no'.

Even a small force can defend a system if they are willing to use slightly grey tactics, less of a pain than moving 50 odd ships per pilot. Also a reset is basically saying 'you know what you have been fighting over for the last few years? yeah that was all for nothing, absolutely nothing, now that we are adding consequences to what you do we are undoing all that.'

At the end of the day people with fewer systems will always argue for a reset and people with more will always argue against it. I'm sure plenty of people will quit FW either way its just up to CCP to decide which way it will be.

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So on your proposal would ccp reset after a grace period or not?

I do think they should give LP for defensive plexing once a system goes contested. Otherwise people will only fight for station systems...

You can speed tank afk offensive plex too. Hence my suggestion of only giving it to both sides when contested.

All these rabid posting by Hidden Snake and Dirk makes me laugh.

5 billion and you can stay.

We griped and griped and griped about the Amarr "blobbing" us to death, and whined about how they would always outship us and outnumber us. It won't be the last time either, eventually they will bounce back and we'll be back to whining again. Welcome to Faction Warfare, where its always the enemy's fault for not "playing fair".

Times change. Winners and losers change. The stakes themselves are about to change. But War? War never changes.

- Plexing doesn't actually give you any LP, it merely steals LP from the opposing militia's IHUB

Look at my original post, I quoted that directly from Hans. Since he's on the CSM and we have no dev blog otherwise, he's my primary source of information.

Exactly. Which is why there is no need to reset sovereignty for the sake of "fairness". Fairness occurs when you use your cunning and wit to level the playing field. Don't rely on CCP to do that for you.

As the countdown to Inferno continues, I have noticed bigger and bigger fleets formed up on the Caldari side in the past three weeks. Corporations that never flew with each other and are now flying with each other. Corporations that couldn't take on the so-called Jesus Blob aka, Gallente Armada, on their own now stand a fighting chance as they fleet up with the veteran corps. Sometimes they curbstomp the Gallente and sometimes the Gallente curbstomps them.

Anyone who thinks that a reset will fix their problems is hopelessly naive. The issues with the Amarr and Caldari is not something that can be fixed with a reset. A reset will only buy you some time before the inevitable happens. The issues you have is systemic and has been highlighted already. Fix your organizational issues and you will be fine. The Caldari seem to fixing that as we speak.

Stop having such a defeatist attitude. You can win or you can make excuses but you can't do both at the same time.

The day a militia can afford to blob is the day that militia has done one thing right;

- Established diplomatic relationships with other fellow corporations in order to achieve a common goal.

Two militias have done that. One is working on that. And the other (or a few from them) is asking for a reset hoping it will save them.

Still though, get rid of docking restrictions. More negatives than positives.

People should take this poll that Susan has set up. I'd like to see more quantifiable numbers rather than heresy

"Please note such LP is split for all eligible members that meet all capture criteria; as such, 2 Amarr enlisted pilots capturing a Minor site would only receive 5,000 LPs each."

Wont this create a load of 'leech' alts that jump into plexes that other [layers have nearly finished before moving onto the next?

Will the reward be spit equally between a player who has completed 99% of the plex with a player who comes in for the last 1%?

Some clarification is needed here I think

I know it, CCP is trolling us. And the most important question's are still not answered:

Will sov stay sov or will occupancy becomme sov?

What happens if no one upgrades the sytem (i know it's unlikely with this nice benefits ), will plexing still give LP?

At least capturing a sytem will mean somthing than, cause we can upgrade them, no to mention preventing our enemy's from docking. But everything is fine everybody will like the extra production slot or the 10% reduced market taxes; everything we do in low sec is trading and producing that much that all station slots are used.

I know there is a NDA but can u get awnser for us hans.

I'm glad I'm on the winning side. We will gladly accept your surrender and will take you into our militia if you agree to put down your arms and farm in peace.

LOL!! My comment had nothing to do with the Gallente or Caldari specifically, I'm just saying that the very notion of a winning faction renting mission hub systems back to the loser for mission purposes is the kind of crazy gameplay possibilities that could emerge from the new system.

The thing that many players are struggling with is that they want to see specific mechanics that directly incentivize losing, thus giving them reason to want to stick around and fight from behind. CCP would much prefer to allow the sandbox to govern these incentives, allowing emergent market behavior to do the work rather than an arbitrary gimmick.

Otherwise, weGÇÖd see pilots enlist in the losing faction just to continue farming for the items that are lucrative on the market, avoiding pew pew just like happens today. This way, if someone looking at the markets decides to enlist in the losing faction to grind for LP, they have to grind it through PvP methods first (player kills and plexing). This is a MAJOR improvement and solves a problem that Faction Warfare pilots have been complaining about for quite some time.

Yes, it does.

IGÇÖm sorry, but I completely disagree on handing a losing faction safe missioning. You seem to have missed one of the communityGÇÖs major gripes about the Faction Warfare system, that mission farming (at least until the NPCGÇÖs get balanced) takes pilots away from the PvP which is supposed to be the primary appeal. I absolutely LOVE that in the current set of mechanics, PvP-free mission running is a privilege, not a right.

Not only that, but it's a lose lose situation. We win, we have no targets left in lowsec. We lose, we get locked out of stn. IF it's a balance, lots of hours of spinning around a boring button. And once in a blue moon when stars align a dessie fight in a plex.

I mean sure, it might lead to the nice fight now and then. But how about all those times when I'll have to spin buttons for 4 hrs to decontest my home system with no one coming in those plexes to shoot at me ? A lot of ppl that came for pvp not pve are gonna drop FW, simple as. Lemme give you some **** from our forums :

"To be honest, I am reluctantly waiting to see how it goes. But if it gets to 4 hrs / day plexing just to be able to dock, FW becomes a non option."

"I've read quite a lot of people saying they are / will leave.
For us it's a case of let's see how it turns out, if it ends up being just a crazy grind then it's a no brainer tbh."

"if we have to plex for hours to get the system back, people will get bored of it, unless we get fight but i doubt."

"I hope I'm wrong, but I think we might have to leave Nisuwa, leave FW if we wanna stay in Nis or plex our asses off every day to stay in FW and in Nis... "

And these quotes come from guys on (what's generally considered) the winning side atm. Can;t even imagine how the losing sides (caldari/amarr) feel about it.

2.) The doomsday predictions will come true, and the war will stagnate, fights will decrease, and I will have demonstrated to CCP that they should have listened to me and pared back the multiplier and not gone with full station docking. Necessary adjustments would than be made to get the fights rolling again.

My God you and dirk (and most of IBS) are so bitter you are getting kicked from rakapas.

Sad story, but this is not your fault Hans. All those ignorants starting flame wars to you did obviously not listen to you from the very beginning. I imagine this design decision must be VERY frustrating for you, to say the least.

In the end Chiang still had his own island resort though.